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Poster: lescaret Date: Mar 19, 2014 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

I've always loved the Scarlet-Fire combo, though it definitely evolved over time. I really enjoy those meandering, understated versions from '77 and '78, the ones where Donna hums and purrs during the between-song-jam. But I also like the more driving, intense versions from the early 80s.

So what are your favorite versions, and why? I'm hoping you turn me on to some I'm not yet familiar with.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 19, 2014 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

My personal favorite: https://archive.org/details/gd79-02-03.set2-nak.clugston.7116.sbeok.shnf

Mainly because of Jerry's solos during Scarlet Begonias. For some reason this is the only S/F that I ever really got into. It's not my favorite Dead medley, usually too repetitive/predictable for me. Fire On The Mountain is a boring song. And as far as Scarlet goes, I prefer the poppy ones from 1974. The band as a whole sounds better to me without Mickey.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 20, 2014 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

This and 12/16/78 are my faves.

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-12-16.sonyecm250-no-dolby.walker-scotton.miller.82212.sbeok.flac16

Although I must say that the one from the Fox Theatre that was featured in that New Yorker article last year is a real corker.

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-11-30.nak700-set2.wagner.miller.90497.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Reade Date: Mar 20, 2014 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more cow bell

THE version for me

https://archive.org/details/gd1983-04-13.mtx.seamons.113852.flac16

The late 70s overrepresented on these suggestions, as worthy as I'm sure they are.

Early eighties is a great era for S>F.
9/20/82
7/13/84
6/16/85

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Poster: lescaret Date: Mar 24, 2014 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

To everyone who replied - OM AH HUM! Thank you! Some very, very fine listening .... I'm grateful (pun intended) to you all. Some new ones here for my delighted ears (and head and soul and karmic vibe).

With the Niceness!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Mar 19, 2014 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

5/8/77 This was my wall song when I was doing half marathons. Something about the tempo of this one - it was a perfect match with my stride and leg length combination. If/when I started to struggle at the 7-8 mile point, I'd get this one going on the iPod and almost automatically drop into an 8:15 min/mile pace. The music occupied my brain so my legs would stop screaming at it. By the time the tune was over, I was 3 miles further down course and well through the wall.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Mar 20, 2014 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

I love to see Jerry laughing and I love this show.
July 31, 1882

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdxSoF-yw2g

He had such a good time he came back the next year to ride again.
September 9, 1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuDu3OnMr4

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Mar 19, 2014 11:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

This outta help:

http://headyversion.com/song/315/grateful-dead/scarlet-begonias-fire-on-the-mountain/

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 20, 2014 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

Still my favorite Dead combo of all time. I listen to many and even tho' I think I've heard them all am still searching for an unknown gem.

As for "the best", I still gravitate to these:

5/21/77 (Dicks Picks Vol. 29.) The "Scarlet" in this version is not only perfectly rendered w/no hiccups but is a charging bull of powerhouse chords and Jerry leads, very unlike the mostly silky smooth versions of May '77. It blasts into "Fire" and continues to glow.

Someone above mentioned 5/13/77 and that gets my vote as well. The brief transition leaves Jerry free to wah-wah his way into the best "Fire" intro he ever played.

An under-appreciated version from 1982 can be found here:

https://archive.org/details/gd82-09-11.sbd.clugston.2192.sbeok.shnf

This is a great example of the reggae base of the tune coming to the fore and Brent killing it on background vocals and flourishes.

Donna takes a lot of grief, some deserved, for many versions and reasons...but this may be her finest hour in Scarlet>Fire and a version where Jerry nails all the lyrics (something he fails to do in many other fine versions) and the band in general is just swinging and in the pocket:

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-12-30.123103.sbd.miller.flac16

Many other fine suggestions have already been made by posters above so I won't repeat those (except to emphasize that 5/17/77 MUST be listened to), but would also add 5/11/77 to the list...maybe the purest SMOOTH version ever played, and that includes that over-valued tho' still very good 5/8/77.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 19, 2014 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

10-10-1980 is my favorite version. This is actually my vote for 1980 show of the year...as for scarlet>fire, The scarlet is very well played, smooth sailing, breezy yet spacey transition, spot on intro into fire, I am in love with the fire groove the band locks into...the drumming performance is outstanding, the singing is very good, keyboard playing is stellar and Garcia's playing is measured and thoughtful, no noodling, the fanning at the end is nice and perfect drop into scarlet coda...

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-10-10.mtx.chappell.sb03.28740.flac16

Other versions of note include of course 05-08, but check out this one...some of the best Garcia Mutron III licks out there in the first big Fire solo

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-10-02.123102.sbd.miller.flac16


rounding out a good list would be 12-31-1978, 05-08-1979, 10-19-1981, 07-31-1982, 06-18-1983, 03-28-1985, 12-28-1986, 07-08-1987, 03-31-1988, 03-22-1990, 09-04-1991, 10-01-1994

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Mar 19, 2014 10:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

here is a good driving 80's rendition

https://archive.org/details/gd1983-10-14.senn421.wise.miller.103233.flac16

I like the aud better than the DP6 mix.

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Poster: Smerdyakov Date: Mar 19, 2014 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

https://archive.org/details/gd1979-05-13.nak700.glassberg.8037.sbeok.shnf

A show from early in Brett's tenure. The band was showing him what they were capable of. This whole tour contains some nice shows.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 20, 2014 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

Who's Brett?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 20, 2014 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

There for one show and then - poof! - spontaneous combustion. "Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported."

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 20, 2014 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

nothing left but a green...sort of...globule.

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Mar 20, 2014 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-05-11.mtx.dusborne.126880.flac16

'Cause Garcia is so hot on this night that he is almost "showing off" with amazing guitar techniques. The 'Scarlet' is jumping but the 'Fire' is just outrageous. For an extra bonus, check out the 'GDTRFB' which many think is the hottest of any era. The "MOTB" audience of this show is really fantastic and might capture the 'X-factor' even a little better than Dave's excellent matrix.



https://archive.org/details/gd1984-04-20.109353.beyer-senn-daweez.D5scott.flac16

28 minutes of thick, gooey, psychedelia from the old and seriously cool Philly Civic Center.


https://archive.org/details/gd1990-03-22.mtx.seamons.113144.flac16
You like driving? Intense? Well, this is, to me, the big-daddy of that style. So intense it's almost manic. Wowsa.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Mar 19, 2014 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

I've always been partial to this Tuscaloosa show: great setlist, great playing. This is the first time the GoGD actually stopped for more than a pisbreak in Ala. (If you like a little Passenger (like in, a 3-minute version,) this one has some nice guitar work and a "nice" Donna.

This S>F clocks in a little over 26 minutes.

Here's a fairly new matrix (though, the aud is nice.)

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-05-17.121485.mtx.dusborne.flac16

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 19, 2014 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

do they have to be from the same show?

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Poster: wlg3 Date: Mar 19, 2014 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

Hampton VA 4/13/84

-Nice and long (24 1/2 min. or so)
-Garcia vocal delay effect in late Fire Chorus
-Mickey's talking drum playing during Fire
-Brent's B-3 during Scarlet
-Bob's whammy bar feedback at start of post-Scarlet jam

Note: There is some I Was There bias

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 19, 2014 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

I'm going to assume you are familiar with both of these,but on the off chance you haven't heard one or both you are in for a treat.

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-09-02.sbd.miller.106818.flac16

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-12-16.sonyecm250-dolbyb.walker-scotton.miller.82211.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Mar 19, 2014 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

me Too! for all the same reasons

also 11.30.80 (similar bias)

In an earlier thread on S>Fs
Charlie Miller pointed out an extremely long one that I can't locate right now (1979?.

I agree with what I recall as it being exceptional....

Anybody know it?


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Poster: snoori Date: Mar 20, 2014 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

Are you thinking of the 1st November '79 mentioned above ? It weighs in at nearly 40 minutes, and was used as a filler on one of the DPs.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Mar 21, 2014 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

yep-thanks! I thought it was around here someplace but couldn't find it on a hand-held...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 19, 2014 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet-Fire: Favorites? Why?

2-5-78 (DP 18)

curve ball > https://archive.org/details/gd1991-08-16.sbd.nickc.111330.flac16

Why is in reviews.

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Mar 20, 2014 4:39pm
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And this over-looked S>F gem is a fave due to Garcia's tone and attack throughout. This is a super-excellent show and matrix that is lesser-known, but a knock-out. Check out the Peggy-O if you like that sorta thing.

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.mtx.seamons.98535.flac16

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Poster: segan63 Date: Mar 19, 2014 11:47am
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I'm partial to 11/1/79. It cooks...

https://archive.org/details/gd1979-11-01.sbd-repatched.miller.77363.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Mar 20, 2014 1:58pm
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Damn that was good. I'm sure I've listened to it before this little drill, but it really popped this time. Enough to get me past the 'Brenty' keys at the start of FOTM.

It's a long story.......

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 20, 2014 2:29pm
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Wow. Not sure if I ever heard that - definitely very out there (a little bitches' brew vibe).